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led-zep · Jun 02, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

i seem to remember gaile mentioning to us that pve rewards were on the way and they were pretty great.

now call me a cynic but surely titles arent that reward because they are not pve rewards they are pve AND pvp, also they are not that great.

when does pve get something that stands out and not some meaningless title thats only shown when someone rolls a mouse pointer over you which pvp'ers are given as well anyway.

BlueNovember · Jun 02, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by led-zep

i seem to remember gaile mentioning to us that pve rewards were on the way and they were pretty great.
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when does pve get something that stands out and not some meaningless title thats only shown when someone rolls a mouse pointer over you which pvp'ers are given as well anyway.

...what?
People were complaining that PVP players had rank, but PVE players had nothing. What kind of reward did you have in mind?
You've also ignored mini-pets, which are a reward.

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Originally Posted by led-zep

now call me a cynic but surely titles arent that reward because they are not pve rewards they are pve AND pvp, also they are not that great.

That's not true. Most of the rewards a PVP character can't get. Also bear in mind that pvp characters are generally short lived, being deleted to re-roll to other builds. Getting character-based title on such a char is a waste of time.

With that in mind, the only titles that PVP can get are the account based ones.

Stop being so ungrateful. =)

NatalieD · Jun 02, 2006, 08:59 AM // 08:59

...a massive variety of cool-looking armor, weapons, and pets isn't enough?

led-zep · Jun 02, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

no actually armour and weapons are part of the game content and not an actually reward for achieving anything. we could as easily say why do pvp get top spec weapons so easily to counteract that whereas pve have to buy or farm for them.

mini pets too arent a reward per say, they are something you get for havng a character for a year so not exactly and achievement and also something a pvp player can get for not deleting a character for a year.

and blue, pve'ers have nothing since titles ARE for pvpers too and by your arguement that there are rewards that pvpers cant get, well guess what, pve'ers cant get the pvp ones either so thats pretty even isnt it.

all im questioning was the fact that gaile said there was going to be a reward for PVE, no need o get defensive, no need to get arguementative. titles are for pve AND pve so all im wondering is, where are the pve only rewards like fame is pvp only.

Haggard · Jun 02, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05

So FoW armour, or a 15^50 crystalline isn't a reward for being a crazy farmer?

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Originally Posted by led-zep

and blue, pve'ers have nothing since titles ARE for pvpers too and by your arguement that there are rewards that pvpers cant get, well guess what, pve'ers cant get the pvp ones either so thats pretty even isnt it.

Uuuuuh.. Yes they can.

AW Lore · Jun 02, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

armor and weapons are part of the content, but there are some that are rewards.

mini pets ARE a reward per se, they are an achievement for those that love sticking to their characters, 1 more month and ill get my mini pet, ohhh i wish for a little siege turtle

about titles, try to get explorer title for a pvp character, or maybe protector of cantha/tyria, those titles are a reward for pve characters for doing something pvpers characters cant. btw, pvp titles can be gained with pvers, but pvpers cant get pvers titles, except for a few like drunken title.

what are the pve only rewards? have you checked the luxon, kursick, and cantha 15k? those are pve only rewards and content, also only pvers can charm a phoenix.

dreamhunk · Jun 02, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by led-zep

i seem to remember gaile mentioning to us that pve rewards were on the way and they were pretty great.

now call me a cynic but surely titles arent that reward because they are not pve rewards they are pve AND pvp, also they are not that great.

when does pve get something that stands out and not some meaningless title thats only shown when someone rolls a mouse pointer over you which pvp'ers are given as well anyway.

yea know for a focused rpg game they do good job of force or enforcing pvpon to pve players.

When I had bought this game I bought for rpg not pvp!

lyra_song · Jun 02, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by dreamhunk

yea know for a focused rpg game they do good job of force or enforcing pvpon to pve players.

When I had bought this game I bought for rpg not pvp!

No. They havent done a good enough job. Because "PvE only" players still exist and "PvP only" players still exist.

Guild Wars hasnt forced it enough.

If it was up to me, there would be no repeatable faction quests, only PvP missions and Alliance battles.

The line needs to dissolve between these two groups. The close-mindedness is sickening. You PvP only players and PvE only players need to understand that Guild Wars is supposed to be a combination of both. Dividing the game community in half is not helping us at all.

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On topic:

I consider these PvE rewards:
End game greens.
PvE titles
Really Rare skinned weapons (HoH chest is a PVE reward, because its something a PvP char cant really use)
Mini-Pets (PvP characters dont last 1 year...they get deleted and remade)

WasAGuest · Jun 02, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

No. They havent done a good enough job. Because "PvE only" players still exist and "PvP only" players still exist.

You will always have this though. Removing the ability to choose and gamers will up and leave in a heart beat. Gamers are a fickle bunch after all.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Guild Wars hasnt forced it enough.

Too much forcing and people will leave. I for one would rather Anet succeed as a company and be smart about their design. There's no way they can please everyone, but forcing any game play on anyone is a sure way to lose customers.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

If it was up to me, there would be no repeatable faction quests, only PvP missions and Alliance battles.

I partially agree but for a different reason. The repeatable faction quests are horrid and boring. But if there were only PvP to earn the faction points, myself and I know for a fact my entire guild would have quit upon learning that. I know three people personally that have left just because of the "lean" towards PvP.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The line needs to dissolve between these two groups. The close-mindedness is sickening. You PvP only players and PvE only players need to understand that Guild Wars is supposed to be a combination of both. Dividing the game community in half is not helping us at all.

I wouldn't say having options hurts anyone. I would say that Anets design on having either side reliant on the other is what hurts and is the reason there are so many arguments between the two play styles.
We also have to keep in mind, people are not all the same with their wants and needs. I don't like the PvP games because of the rushed feel of them. I've tried them, and each time I do, I find I like them less and less. It's just not fun for me. If Anet were to further push PvP down my throat, I would have no reason to continue being a customer of theirs. And while no one here really cares whether or not those of differening opinions leave and never buy the game again, Anet does. They are in the business of making money and each customer has the possibility to be a repeat customer.

One last thing on this subject: Factions was supposed to be about closing the gap. Not GW in general. Jeff Strain mentioned in his many interviews that Factions was about the competition; and that competition is the "new" game mechanic that it brought. He also stated that each chapter would have it's own unique or different game mechanic. So, I would imagine the lean towards PvP (I did say I imagine) will be less in Chapter 3... Jeff Strain did say GW was an RPG first after all... As always though, just my Opinion and take on what I've heard and read.

Rewards:

I rather liked the End Game green in Divine Path. Being able to choose was kinda nice. I would really prefered a customizable version - Example:

"Name of character"'s longbow of X

And then being able to choose the mods on it. Too powerful? Isn't that the point of the End Game reward? Being customized though, it couldn't be tradeable and wouldn't effect the economy (other than not having to buy junk other's find).

Zui · Jun 02, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

There are titles that can only be gained in PvE. There are titles that can only gained in PvP. Get over it. If a PvPer wants a Grand Master Explorer title, they have to PvE. If a PvEr wants a Gladiator title, they have to PvP. Theoreticaly you could get non-account based titles on a PvP charactar, too bad that will never happen because people reroll them. At high level pvp you need to PvE for multiple armor, and weapons, especialy caster things, and shields that can't be obtained in PvP, or just to get enough to fill 4 weapon slots etc. PvErs have to do PvP for 2 mintues when they sear. Wow, big deal.

PvE rewards inclue different skinned weapons. 15k and FoW armor. If you think it's just content, wow so are titles. So are greens. So is controling an Elite mission. Content and rewards can be the same thing. Everything in the entire game is content. Get over it.

If you're wanting an emote for PvE, that's just lame as you already have one that can't only be used every 30 seconds, it's called FoW armor, and it's usable 100% of the time. PvP has an emote for what is arguably the second lowest level of competitive PvP there is, RA being the lowest. GvG, which is the highest level gets a title that you're probably not going to see until 2008, silver capes, and gold capes. Both of which are only in reach of about 200 people at the moment. Then you have the title for arenas, which can be achieved from RA too.

PieXags · Jun 02, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I'm closing this thread now. This section is for serious, well-thought out suggestions. Not rants, complaints, or debates we've all seen 10,000 times. Being that there's nothing but a "what we have sucks" sort of thing here, followed by debating, there's no reason to leave it open.